Lynchburg rally organizers say public safety pay shouldn’t get cut
A downtown rally will be held next week to show support for public safety officers slated to take an across-the-board pay cut in the new fiscal year that starts this summer.
The rally will take place on the same day City Council is scheduled to grant final approval to the new budget. The budget, in its current form, imposes a 3 percent pay cut on all city employees.
Recently, it’s been suggested the public safety division — which consists of police, fire and emergency dispatchers — should be exempt from those salary reductions given the nature and significance of their jobs. Rally organizers hope to drive that message home to council and, perhaps, persuade members to alter the budget before it goes through.
“We want to open up the dialogue and see City Council go back to the drawing board and find creative ways to balance the budget without cutting salaries,” said Leecy Fink, a rally organizer and wife of a 12-year Lynchburg Police Department veteran.
“We don’t want them to make a hasty decision and approve the budget, then regret it later,” she added, noting a pay cut would damage morale and cause people to flee to higher-paying jobs elsewhere, leaving the public safety forces depleted.
It’s uncertain if City Council could be convinced to postpone the final budget vote this late in the process. Last week, Councilman Jeff Helgeson proposed restoring full pay for police officers by reducing the city contribution to the schools.
He cited an LPD memo that reported a 7.4 percent rise in violent crime and a 19.4 percent turnover rate among officers over the past two years.
The same report said a survey of 28 Virginia communities, including Lynchburg, found the Hill City was the only one planning to cut pay for public safety employees.
Helgeson’s motion was criticized by the rest of council and died due to lack of a second. One of the most common objections dealt with the message it would send to cut pay for some employees while protecting others.
Opposing council members also said the pay cuts were a difficult but necessary step given the economic troubles the city faces. Full employee pay could not be restored without making significant cuts elsewhere in the budget, they argue, including possible layoffs.
Public safety officers themselves offered conflicting views on how council should respond to the salary concerns. All agreed the pay cut should be reversed if possible, but not necessarily if it meant taking from other departments or only exempting public safety.
“I hate to take any money from one organization and give it to another,” said Officer Doug Childress, a police officer with 28 years experience and current president of the local chapter of the Virginia Police Benevolent Association.
Childress felt strongly about the need to restore public safety salaries, noting the LPD already has some of the lowest pay rates in the state, according to the same staff memo discussed earlier by council.
He said he felt the city needed to look for “new ideas” and revisit some of the major capital projects it was spending on, a suggestion that’s been made in the past.
But Childress stopped short of saying the money ought to be taken from the school budget. “If there’s excess in their budget, that should be looked at,” he said. “But if this is something our school teachers need, I don’t want to be the one to stand up and say we’re going to take that away from you.”
The Blue Ridge chapter of the Virginia Police Benevolent Association is supporting next week’s rally, as is the Lynchburg Fire Fighters Association.
Fire Chief Brad Ferguson said he was aware of the rally and told his employees they were free to attend, but he did not directly align himself with the gathering’s mission.
“I’m in support in that I’d like to see them put the pay back in,” he said. “But I think they need to do it for all city employees. I don’t think we should separate ourselves. It will damage morale (in other departments).”
Turnover has been a more severe issue for the police department and emergency communications center than the fire department. Police Chief Parks Snead said two officers recently announced plans to take other jobs, citing in part the department’s uncompetitive salaries.
Supervisors are also reporting as many as 18 others are considering leaving if the pay cut goes through. Snead said the idea of such an exodus “disturbs me greatly” and added that for an organization the size of the LPD, the loss of 10 officers would be a “public safety crisis.”
The pay cut is an unusual measure and comes on the heels of a two-and-a-half-day unpaid furlough for all city employees.
Fink, one of the rally organizers, said that event has drawn, not only city employees and their families, but also regular community members who are concerned about what’s happening.
“These are people who feel strongly that the impact of cutting public safety salaries will be greater than the impact of cutting other employees’ salaries,” she said. “… A community is built first on safety. People won’t send their children to your schools or start a business or move to your community unless it’s a safe community.”
The rally will begin at noon Tuesday, May 26, at the foot of Monument Terrace. It will continue until City Council begins its regular business meeting that day at 5 p.m.
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See this is the cop personality type that scares the bejeesus out of me. This guy has the power to arrest, tazer, and mace. Observe his behavior on this board in a civil debate and how do you think he might behave when he has the mighty power of the cop? Multiply that by hundreds and that’s pretty much what you have with law enforcement.
Wow! the maturity level in this forum started out nicly and deterierated to one of the lowest i’ve read without cozmo being involved.
Jimbo, i hope you really aren’t a cop, god help us all.
Poet, you let him drive your hazmat truck over the edge, steady man!
Jimbo, the reason support staff is refered to as support staff, is that you big shots will fall without them.
New York was bought to its knees by a sanitation workers strike, cops and fire included.
The janitors all have families that need to eat as well as you do. You who would rather some get cut more or lose their jobs so you can keep your lousy 3%.
My business closed Sunday, gone, no pay for the last 18 months. A result of the economy. I WISH i had the choice of a token pay cut. Onward and upward!
I ran as a medic for 10 years for free, crawling upside down into totaled cars in -30 weather. Being bled on assaulted, cut up, etc. FOR FREE. Because unlike folks like you, some of us run INTO the fire because we are trained to and we care about our neighbors more than ourselves.
Perhaps if you can’t regain that or never had it, you should retire and sell insurance.
Poet,
Do us a favor and crawl up in your big truck, drive away in your #3 most dangerous job, and on your way back stop at any institution of higher learning and get educated. I hear Pre-k registration is starting up for the fall.
As for your little man and whining/crying comment. I just ask one simple question. Why aren’t you a police officer, corrections officer, bouncer, or live fire person? Something to do with being in the corner ring a bell? OH man guess thats two questions.
Tell you what Jim. Since all you’re doing is repeating the same nonsense, and our exchange is here for all to see, get back to me when you have something of substance.
You just keep running from your words little man, you’re really quite good at it.
It is obvious you can’t follow a conversation, even the one you set up. Hopefully by then you will have stopped the crying and pity party and come down to earth with us lowly ones.
I leave you with the last words in your fantasy world. (unless you come up with something worthy…nahhh)
Poet, my dear friend, I am slightly amused by your comments.
1. This list you got, would you care to share with the rest of us? Not saying your lying just asking for some form of proof. Maybe legit and congrats for doing that job. I gave you the site for the police research. You care to share yours?
2. You started this by stating that the police and fire are not different than other City Departments: Any person with any sense has to understand that public safety is necessary to have a “somewhat” normal society. The necessary functions for a community include public safety. If you can’t understand that then we are way past getting you educated.
3. As for your conversation techniques, may I suggest a grammar or spell check program for you. Now I am off to have an intelligent conversation with those grade school children, Care to join? Never mind you don’t qualify.
You know jim, you’re so irrational I was going to ignore you, but since you insist on being foolish I’ll lend you a hand.
First you need to learn how a conversation happens.
I’ve quoted what you said twice. And I’ve followed your lead into that conversation. Nothimg more, nothing less.
I know you’re desparatly trying to run from what you said, but it’s there in black and white for all to see. If you want to be so stupid as to keep ignoring that, well, we’ll all have a good lagh at your expense.
Second, why don’t you do your own research? I got the list of the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. You’re the one that placed such store on danger. Now the list says I’m #3 and you are #6. According to your logic all one needs to assert priviledge is to be in more danger than the other. You set that point up for concideration.
The problem is you made that a point of contention, but you’ve been backed into a corner and would rather look foolish than drop it. That’s ok, though. We need a demonsration of the mentality of those that think they’re more entitled than us plain folks.
May I suggest you go ask those grade school children how to present a proper conversation so you won’t look ..uh..so elementary? (pun intended)
No one is trying to pit any city employee against another. When in fact the opposite is true. I would venture that it would be extremely difficult for any council member to have to look at the face of all 1200 city employees being cut, and not reconsider. Just because the police and fire decide to rally against such, they are made out to be the “whiners” or “moaners”. I encourage EVERY city employee that is able to attend to come to the next council meeting stand up for yourselves. IF you don’t do not be mad or upset at the police and fire, because they did.
A rally organized by the wife of one of the workers who might get a pay cut? It’s sad to see the police and firemen trying to play on the public’s sympathy and goodwill to avoid taking a very modest 3% pay cut. If this isn’t cause to review more funding and terminate jobs, then I don’t know what is. Where were all of these “activists” who are so concerned about the public welfare when City Council was wasting money on unneeded projects around the City? The firemen and policemen are members of one of the most liberal and leftist unions in the nation which consistently call for more public tax dollars to be spent on their every whim. Anyone going to this rally has really lost touch with reality and fiscal responsibility. There are jobs being lost throughout the region. People are losing 100% of their incomes, not 3% yet these whiners are still crying over having to make modest concessions.
Poet,
Using your own words here maybe you can understand:
The 2009 list of the most dangerous jobs in America places PD in 6th place and firefighters are in 5th place.
My job is 3rd on the list. I’m 3 times more likely to get killed than any police officer is.
I ask again who is spouting and being arrogant?
Still waiting for the research here to back up your statements above.
As for the inherent dangers that police and fire face everyday, There are children in grade school that understand that, maybe they can educate you. If not perhaps you should go to www.odmp.org and do some reading.
AND you didn’t say anything about NO reduction in force for police,EMS and fire. Would you prefer a person lose a job? or would you prefer all folks to get a cut?
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